Friday, November 8, 2024

Job 23

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13.10.24

I don’t know if it’s true but I remember reading somewhere that the Spanish language carries no blame. There is no “Paul dropped the cup” only “The cup fell”

I think that for us, this would be an impossible way of thinking. I don’t think we could go through a day without placing blame, no matter how carefully or kindly we did it, I think there would be times when our language just doesn’t allow any alternative.

I wonder what would happen if we had a language that didn’t allow us to place blame? I wonder if people would lose their unnecessary guilt? I wonder if people would become better or worse at being accountable for their actions?

If I told you that somebody had lung cancer, what would be your first response?

Pretty much all of us would ask if that person smoked and the way we ask that question causes so many problems that the medical community is investing in trying to change that approach because that stigma, that attempt to explain the disease by blaming the victim makes it more likely that people will delay treatment, refuse treatment and respond poorly to treatment. The suffering and death caused by lung cancer is increased by our tendency to lay blame.

We are having a look at Job 23 today and before that I’d like to just give you a recap on where Job was at:

Job was described in the early part of the book as a good man, a righteous man. He was faithful to God and was almost blameless.

Then this being called The Accuser says to God that Job is only righteous and faithful because he is blessed with a good life.

God says no, Job is a good guy and he is consistently faithful.

The accuser says he wants to test Job and find out if he can be faithful even in suffering and so God says to The Accuser “ok, you can test him but don’t kill him”

And that’s what happens: In one day all of Jobs children die and all of his flocks and his servants are killed in a fire. After that he becomes sick with a painful skin disease which almost certainly makes him ritually unclean and socially isolated and his wife, who has also lost her children and wealth and security is unable to provide any comfort or hope and says to Job “you might as well curse your God and die”

Just before we take up the reading in chapter 23, Job is sitting in the rubbish in his pain and misery and his friend Eliphaz is talking to him. Eliphaz and others have come to support Job but over a period of time they have started to try to understand Jobs suffering and Eliphaz can’t explain Job’s suffering except to say that Job must have somehow brought it on himself by some sin. And because his suffering is so great it must be some great sin. Eliphaz says to Job “look, there’s no other answer but to seek God and repent.

Now we know that Job is innocent. We know that there is nothing Job has done or not done to lead to this suffering, his whole situation is made by The Accuser. It’s a supernatural event.

Eliphaz says to Job that he needs to seek God and Job responds:

Today I complain bitterly,
because God has been cruel
    and made me suffer.
If I knew where to find God,
I would go there
    and argue my case.

Job is saying “God did this, it wasn’t me and if I could find Him, I would!” Job can’t find God, as much as he wants to and he is so certain of his innocence that he would be prepared to go and argue his case. He is referring to a court type of situation, not just a conversation but a formal situation where evidence is presented and weighed. This is how certain he is of his innocence. He wants to go and confront God and seek logical, properly explored answers.

Then I would discover
    what he wanted to say.
Would he overwhelm me
    with his greatness?
No! He would listen
    because I am innocent,

Job is saying I’m so confident that I haven’t done anything to deserve this that I’m is willing to go to the creator of the universe, the inventor of justice and argue my case. And God will listen. God could crush me in an instant but he will agree that I am blameless in this situation.

I feel like I hear a lot of people in the church talk about their fallibility, their guilt, there’s a sense of shame that we carry. We have this shame enshrined in our doctrine “We believe all men have become sinners, totally depraved, and as such are justly exposed to the wrath of God.

And there is truth to it but l think that sometimes it is good for us to remember that we can be innocent, that our pain is not always our fault, that we don’t have to accept the burden of guilt for every hardship, we actually can affirm our own innocence or we can refuse to blame others for their suffering.

and he would say,
    “I now set you free!”

We see that Job is assured of his own innocence and he is completely confident of God’s justice.

Who of us will voluntarily go to court and face judgement? Even when we are innocent, the sound of a police siren sets our nerves on fire, right? We aren’t assured of our innocence or of the justice we might receive.

I cannot find God anywhere—
in front or back of me,
    to my left or my right.
God is always at work,
    though I never see him.

 “I’ve looked in front of me, I’ve looked behind me, I looked to the left and I went over here to the right “ We sense Jobs frustration, his despair, his overwhelming wish to connect with God, despite the fact that he doesn’t really need to seek mercy or justice.

“God is always at work, though I never see him”

Job’s faith wins over everything, he affirms Gods involvement in his life.

15 Merely the thought
of God All-Powerful
16     makes me tremble with fear.
17 God has covered me
    with darkness,
    but I refuse to be silent

After Job has spent time protesting his innocence we see him bemoaning Gods invisibility. We see that he is confident of Gods mercy and justice but still in fear and awe of his power. He is aware that God is working but he can’t see evidence of it.

Ellicotts Commentary says this:

  Job is The victim of an ever present paradox and dilemma; afraid of God, yet longing to see Him; conscious of His presence, yet unable to find Him; assured of His absolute justice, and yet convinced of his own suffering innocence. His history, in fact, to the Old World was what the Gospel is to the New: the exhibition of a perfectly righteous man, yet made perfect through suffering. It was therefore an effort, at the solution of the problem of the reconciliation of the inequality of life with the justice of God.

Job 23 is mostly viewed as a picture of a man who is separated from God, searching for God and feeling forsaken. And if you relate to feeling forsaken by God, please know that you are not the only one. Feeling forsaken by God is so much part of our human experience that we have a whole book devoted to it.

I also find hope in Job 23, the darkness is deep, Job says he is covered in darkness but he also says

God will not overwhelm him

God will listen to him

God is always working

And God will set Him free

 

We are going to sing now “yet not I but through Christ in me” and lets appreciate the words

The night is dark but I am not forsaken
For by my side, the Saviour He will stay
I labour on in weakness and rejoicing
For in my need, His power is displayed

5 comments:

Snowbrush said...

My last schnauzer died of lung cancer, and when I tell people this, I always follow-up by saying that my wife and I don't smoke.

Perhaps you know that the Book of Job is about 3,000 years old. It was one of the first Biblical books to give me trouble because in it God allowed Job to suffer horrendously simply in order to win a wager. But if God is just, I wondered, how could he allow an innocent man to be tortured? My later discovery of Isaiah 45:7 (“I form the light and create darkness, I make peace and create evil; I, the Lord, do all these things”) only increased my increasingly negative view of God.

Your words which appear to reflect the view that God won't permit one to suffer more than he or she can bear brings to mind the millions of people who have committed suicide because their suffering became unendurable. It can be claimed, of course, that their faith was weak or that they worshipped the wrong God, but can the fact that eleven-year-olds have committed suicide due to Internet bullying be seriously attributed to erither of these things?

I know that your life is happier and more fulfilled because of your religion, but this leads me to ask whether you would want to know if your beliefs were untrue? By the same token, if, in the interest of greater happiness, would I be willing, if it were possible, to will myself to believe that which I believe is untrue. I think the answer is no, but then if I were made to suffer as Job suffered, maybe the value that I place upon intellectual honesty would disappear.

kylie said...

Hi Snow,
The back story on this one is, i was asked to preach and not given a topic or reading so I just went to the lectionary reading for the day. The biggest point I was trying to make was that suffering is often random. There are so many people who think that suffering comes from behaviour and that's unhelpful, especially when it adds guilt to a difficult situation. I was trying to give permission for people to drop the guilt.

Lots of people suffer immeasureably and the philosophy that God won't permit more suffering than can be handled really isn't compassionate so no, that didn't enter my head.

I have asked myself what would I do if God turned out to not exist, which I think is basically the question you are asking me. I think I would want to know the truth but I also know I would have no clue how to reconfigure my life or even if that was necessary.

I think I'd want to know but when push came to shove, well I suspect I might react badly.

Your value on intellectual honesty seems unshakeable to me

Snowbrush said...

"There are so many people who think that suffering comes from behaviour..."

It seems to me that the Bible is of two minds about this, with Jesus denying that it's necessarily true, but then with the Psalmist's certainty that "goodness and mercy shall follow me all the days of my life."

For me, the point of Job is that we're supposed to trust God no matter what, yet in this instance, God was willing to allow a man's family to be killed and to otherwise make him miserable for no higher purpose than to win a bet. I'm going to draw a parallel that is true to what I believe, but might be contrary to what you believe.

The kind of people who see God's goodness in his treatment of Job and his other Biblical atrocities are the same people who see Trump's goodness in, for example, his acknowledgement that he wants to be a dictator; his thousands of verifiable lies; his threat to end elections; his promise to ruin the lives of his opponents; his determination to use the power of the federal government to silence dissent; and his threat to deport people who came here as infants and have built their lives in America; etc. Trump's promise is to bring untold misery to millions of innocent people, yet his primary support comes from the Christian community, and this has both saddened and hardened me to an extent previously unknown. Of course, I know that my anger is underserved by you and all those other Christians the world over who are as repulsed by Trump as I am.

"I think I would want to know the truth but I also know I would have no clue how to reconfigure my life..."

Thank you for asking how I feel after Trump was elected. I haven't responded because my heart has been too full of grief. When I saw the quoted part of this sentence, I thought that it said a lot about my feelings. I can scarcely imagine a more evil person than Trump, yet just over half of the American people are either so dishonest or so deluded as to claim that he is a good man, if not the Christian man that he claims to be. On the one hand, I'm certain that in four years, America will bear little resemblance to the partly good country I have known it to be. On the other, I have lost all faith that the majority of Americans are well-meaning, intelligent, or moral. Just as Esau sold his inheritance for a bowl of porridge, America has sold its soul to a violent and vicious fascist with 34-felony convictions. How am I to "reconfigure" my life to deal with this? I remind myself of how much worse I would feel if I were married to a Trump voter; or if I lived in a part of the country that voted for Trump; or if I were under threat of deportation; but such consolations can't erase my feelings of fear, rage, betrayal, and hopelessness.

"the philosophy that God won't permit more suffering than can be handled really isn't compassionate so no, that didn't enter my head."

Yet again, you don't fit my stereotype of how Christians think.

"Your value on intellectual honesty seems unshakeable to me"

Even if this is true, I don't know if it's a blessing or a curse. I do know that there exist depths of misery which I have never known and that might cause me to lose integrity. I also suspect that most, and perhaps all, of us embrace the lies that we must embrace in order to survive.

I see that I have strayed further from your subject than I intended, yet it seems to me that it ties-in somehow.

Love,
Snow

Terra said...

Job's story is so powerful, of a man faithful through severe hardship. Have you considered getting a blogger follow button so I can follow you? Best wishes.

kylie said...

Hi Terra,
I will try to do that sometime soon.
Job had a lot to contend with!